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Kaleban · Jun 05, 2008, 05:10 AM // 05:10

Sin is much more versatile in pretty much the entire game. This was true for running/farming as A/Me before the update, and even more true with the options opened up by the SF buff.

The Sin is my main since Factions was released, of 2000+ hours played, nearly 1000 are on my Sin alone. So they are fun and versatile.

That being said, you can still make lots of ingame wealth by farming as an elementalist, the Obsidian tank E/Me with Stone Striker and Mantra of Earth is in many ways more effective, except the high end areas where things like Aatxes can make short work of you even fully buffed.

DShrike · Jun 05, 2008, 05:40 AM // 05:40

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Originally Posted by Flightmare

It's just my math, but with glyph of swiftness and deadly paradox you will reach the 50% faster recharge cap, which lets Shadow Form recharge in 30 seconds. At 12 Shadow Arts, Shadow Form Will last for 25 seconds. The +20% enchanting mod will lengthen the duration with 5 seconds. So thats a 30 seconds duration and a 30 seconds recharge. BUT Shadow Form has a casting time of 2/3 seconds. So you WILL lose your HP and are vurnerable for those 2/3 seconds (lets make it 1 second, some margin of error). So ele seems to be a no-go if it's purely made for 24/7 Shadow Form usage.

I fail, nevermind.

Mr.Kotte · Jun 05, 2008, 06:05 AM // 06:05

Been Playing Ele for about 15 months (1,5k hrs). It was definitaly the most profitable farmer UNTIL SF got hit by the buffbat. I've only been doing UW since.
For easy farms: Get your sin
For more farms: Get your ele.

Dr Dimento · Jun 05, 2008, 06:10 AM // 06:10

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Sin is much more versatile in pretty much the entire game. This was true for running/farming as A/Me before the update, and even more true with the options opened up by the SF buff.

Versatile.......more versatile than ele? Pass me some of that stuff you're smoking. Ele is by far the most versatile, in fact it's really not even close. HOWEVER, due to the Sin's one skill.......Shadow Form, Assassins take the farming cake. One skill is not versatility..........

Kaleban · Jun 05, 2008, 06:22 AM // 06:22

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Originally Posted by Dr Dimento

Versatile.......more versatile than ele? Pass me some of that stuff you're smoking. Ele is by far the most versatile, in fact it's really not even close. HOWEVER, due to the Sin's one skill.......Shadow Form, Assassins take the farming cake. One skill is not versatility..........

I didn't claim that SF is what gives the sin farming versatility.

And before you claim Ele is better, the plethora of E/A SF farmers would tend to disagree with you.

What makes the Sin the most versatile in terms of solo play is th ability to become completely (or nearly so) through half or less of the skill bar, and then can tailor his offensive skillset to the enemies.

Take an OB Ele tank, they've got Glyphs, OB Flesh, Stoneflesh, Stone Striker, Mantra of Earth, etc. all on their bar, JUST to replicate SF.

And I won't even go into running, which the Sin absolutely shines at, more so than any other class, which the Ele can hardly match.

Again, though, since you yourself admit Sins take the farming cake, in the farming forum, then we're agreed they're far more versatile, since they can farm more places, with more room for error (especially now) with a more varied skillset to farm places even eles cannot, such as using dagger attack chains or /Me for AoE hex damage (like the UW build prior to the SF buff)

Here's some of what I'm smoking: facts.

Mr.Kotte · Jun 05, 2008, 08:09 AM // 08:09

However, there are places where the Perma SF cant farm, but the ele can.

Onyx Blindbow · Jun 05, 2008, 08:16 AM // 08:16

sin = UW & long run farms
ele = everywhere for boss farming

I use my ele purely for the boss farms and fast farm, NOTHING farms better than an ele at these (raptors are a good example of a fast farm)

I made my just over a month ago to farm UW, then the SF buff came along xD

I am still a nub sin farming but hey who cares I still make cash xD

Sethellington · Jun 05, 2008, 09:51 AM // 09:51

sin til it gets nerfed i guess, then you'll regret not having made an ele.

natural_Causes · Jun 05, 2008, 03:37 PM // 15:37

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Originally Posted by Sethellington

sin til it gets nerfed i guess, then you'll regret not having made an ele.

Actually, I gave in last night and made a Sin, while keeping my Ele. 1 night and I'm already to lvl 10. Gotta love Factions

Bo Fairfield · Jun 06, 2008, 12:04 AM // 00:04

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Originally Posted by natural_Causes

Isn't it possible to farm Planes with an Ele? Or is that to inefficient to bother with?

[build=OgNDksy8MaDp/XNZAMyZlV5B]
with that build, I can farm all the BDR's (except for the one outside Bone Pits, which I skip) and the first 2 mobs of terrorwebs in 35 minutes, on average.
Record run speed was 31 minutes, record ectos was 12. I would suggest an ele, because they can do many farms that aren't really in danger from the nerf-bat, but Anet will undoubtedly nerf SF again at some point. Also, eles are (generally) a more wanted class for PvE pugs, and are generally awesome to play. IMO, it is a waste of time to create a character and go through all the trouble to set it up for ONE build, and one build only.
just my .02

blackknight1337 · Jun 06, 2008, 01:16 AM // 01:16

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Originally Posted by Bo Fairfield

but Anet will undoubtedly nerf SF again at some point.

K, 2 things.

1. Would you, and the rest of these idiots that are a dime a dozen, especially around the farming forums, quit spreading worthless bullshit like this around. Rumors accomplish nothing and make you look like a total idiot.

For starters, Perma SF has been possible since Nightfall came out, and still would be with the reverted duration. This is not new, the buff only opened up the secondary profession to /e. End of story, now shut up with the rumors. I'm sick of having people i've taught the run to pm me when an update comes out, like today, convinced that SF has been nerfed and we are all doomed.

2. Sin or Ele is completely up to you. My personal take on it is that I had an ele sitting in ToA long before this update happened, and I still made a sin and leveled it, and have been farming with the sin instead. Why? Cause 1 mistake outside of traps with an ele and you're hosed. Nightmare pops just before you aggro, rends your flame djinns, and pulls 2 attaxe down on you....you are screwed. With a sin I already have SF up and /dance in front of them.

Also you don't have to worry about 50% slow all the time, renewing Obs flesh and stoneflesh when they run out at the same time, or having to wait 60 sec for meteor shower.

My assassin was at toa and doing the run inside of 14 hours spent on the char. She's now at about 50hr or so, about a third or more afk, and I'm swimming in ecto.

For UW runs, make a sin. Otherwise, ele may be better for some other places. If you can't make up your mind, make both! Thats what I have now and its great.

Mr. Undisclosed · Jun 06, 2008, 03:32 AM // 03:32

Sin, you'll make loads of cash farming ecto. You can do bosses and mobs too with different builds. I'd go with sin all the way, I haven't touched my ele since the update. Also I highly doubt SF will get nerfed any time soon if at all.

Dr Dimento · Jun 06, 2008, 08:09 AM // 08:09

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And before you claim Ele is better, the plethora of E/A SF farmers would tend to disagree with you.

There's a heck of a lot more A/E's then there are E/A's. As far as versatility goes, that implies a profession's lack of reliability on 1 skill for its best builds.....with Sin, it's Shadow Form for just about everything. With ele, they can nerf Shadow Form, and it wouldn't even knock it out of the #2 farmer position (lol, actually it would "knock it" to #1 since Assassins would be knocked from #1 to #5 or so), they could nerf Stoneflesh Aura, and it would still not be knocked out of the #2 position. However, if Shadow Form gets nerfed.......Assassins drop to, at best, the # 5 position (depending on the extent of the nerf).

My point, which you have obviously failed to grasp......is that the Sin's reliance on a single skill, by its very definition, means it is not versatile.

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Sin is much more versatile in pretty much the entire game. This was true for running/farming as A/Me before the update, and even more true with the options opened up by the SF buff.

This makes my point nicely. A/Me = depended on Shadow Form......and all the "options opened up by the SF buff" also depend on SF.

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1. Would you, and the rest of these idiots that are a dime a dozen, especially around the farming forums, quit spreading worthless bullshit like this around. Rumors accomplish nothing and make you look like a total idiot.

A rumor would imply that someone has cited an official source for an impending nerf. The very quote your reply is in context to does not do that, and in fact, makes it pretty clear that the individual has a personal opinion that the nerf will happen......not facts. Something I concur with. Any time Ecto is too easy, Anet usually corrects.....right now.....ecto is too easy, so naturally anyone who has been around for more than a month or two will assume it will also be corrected as the other overpowered builds have always been.

masta_yoda · Jun 06, 2008, 09:17 AM // 09:17

make both imo, there both good

Rhamia Darigaz · Jun 06, 2008, 06:02 PM // 18:02

whats with all the ideas that sf will be nerfed? i'd think anet knew exactly what they were doing when they buffed sf, and perma sf was already possible anyway, even in pvp. beyond how pissed all the ppl who made sins since the buff would be, i imagine this might also encourage ppl to buy factions if they dont already have it, which is a very good thing for anet. kinda like how ursan works for gwen.

blackknight1337 · Jun 06, 2008, 06:13 PM // 18:13

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Originally Posted by Dr Dimento

A rumor would imply that someone has cited an official source for an impending nerf. The very quote your reply is in context to does not do that, and in fact, makes it pretty clear that the individual has a personal opinion that the nerf will happen......not facts. Something I concur with. Any time Ecto is too easy, Anet usually corrects.....right now.....ecto is too easy, so naturally anyone who has been around for more than a month or two will assume it will also be corrected as the other overpowered builds have always been.

Good job writing a whole paragraph, and completely missing my point.

Mr. Undisclosed · Jun 07, 2008, 03:51 AM // 03:51

To be honest I don't think SF will be nerfed for a while. I see the SF buff as anet making it easier for people to fill their HoM by using a foolproof build.

RavagerOfDreams · Jun 07, 2008, 03:57 AM // 03:57

the correct answer to your question my friend is whichever you enjoy playing the most

these responses are all our opinions and all that really matters is what you think

trankle · Jun 07, 2008, 05:15 AM // 05:15

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Originally Posted by Dr Dimento

My point, which you have obviously failed to grasp......is that the Sin's reliance on a single skill, by its very definition, means it is not versatile.

I think you're confusing 'versatile' with 'future-proof'.

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Originally Posted by Dr Dimento

Any time Ecto is too easy, Anet usually corrects.....right now.....ecto is too easy, so naturally anyone who has been around for more than a month or two will assume it will also be corrected as the other overpowered builds have always been.

Anet had to know what they were doing by buffing SF. My feeling is that if they are worried about the Chaos Plains farm, they'll just add a roaming group of Charged Blacknesses to the area. Or tweak the drop rate of ectos from Spectres. Heck, one permanent spawn of body-blocking Behemoths at the entrance to the Plains would probably do the trick.

Mr. Undisclosed · Jun 07, 2008, 07:41 PM // 19:41

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Originally Posted by trankle

I think you're confusing 'versatile' with 'future-proof'.

Anet had to know what they were doing by buffing SF. My feeling is that if they are worried about the Chaos Plains farm, they'll just add a roaming group of Charged Blacknesses to the area. Or tweak the drop rate of ectos from Spectres. Heck, one permanent spawn of body-blocking Behemoths at the entrance to the Plains would probably do the trick.

I think the last suggestion could be fixed by bringing a short bow and auto attacking until the traps disarm themselves then go and set PBoA by them and continue attacking